Yokohama Avid Envigor ZPS vs Michelin Primacy Alpin PA3 ZP - Your Evaluations and Opinions Please

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    Yokohama Avid Envigor ZPS vs Michelin Primacy Alpin PA3 ZP - Your Evaluations and Opinions Please

    http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....m=955VR6ENVZPS

    http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....=955HR6PRPA3ZP

    AVID ENVigor ZPS(High Performance All-Season)

    Primacy Alpin PA3 ZP(Performance Winter / Snow)

    My opinion on these two tires goes as follows........
    The Envigor is a quicker transitioning tire and is slightly better than the Alpin in wet traction performance.

    The Alpin's edges had to wear a bit before I started liking the tire. This was because of the little wiggle, it would give me. I would come out of a curve or parking lot,in a hard lean and hitting the throttle, and it would momentarily loose traction - nothing too serious. The Alpin rides smoother and seems to wear longer for me than the Envigor.

    I favor the EnVigor, yet also still ride the Alpin at times. I have both of them mounted up, along with a Stone 704. Love playing around with tires.
    '12 GL1800 Level 4 & '08 FLHX Darksider #1378
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    I like the Yoko better than the Alpin too. Alpin rides a little softer and wears a little better but the Yoko transitions so much better and holds a line much better. No squirming either with the Yoko.

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      Originally posted by OhioWinger View Post
      I like the Yoko better than the Alpin too. Alpin rides a little softer and wears a little better but the Yoko transitions so much better and holds a line much better. No squirming either with the Yoko.
      Folks, OhioWinger is the member that told me about the ENVigor......he knows a great deal about the tire. I originated this post because some folks are trying to decide which of these two favorite run flats they should try. New forum, so please post your findings.......we are all different riders. Thanks
      '12 GL1800 Level 4 & '08 FLHX Darksider #1378

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      • #4
        I also agree I got both tire had the yoko on like it then last weekend put the mich back on cause it still has life to it and I also agree that the the tire is better with the edges worn a little and if your going to plauy in the mountain pump up the pressure it's a total different tire. and Ohio is the one that made me see the light yep it's all his fault lol

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        • #5
          The Alpin gets better with wear on the edges.......you are so correct about spirited twisty riding - pump it up - 38 to 41 psi is wonderful but 28 - 32 psi is better for wear on the interstate. I realize you already know this stuff - just rehashing old info. for this new forum. Everything I learned about the Darkside was from you guys.
          '12 GL1800 Level 4 & '08 FLHX Darksider #1378

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          • #6
            I rode the Alpin for about 42k miles, and liked it. Trying the Yoko now, I've got a couple hundred miles on it, all city, but I like it even better (so far). We're riding to the coast for a campout this weekend. I should have a better opinion then.

            Between these two tires though, I'm totally convinced that a CT on the back is the way to go.
            2012 Honda Goldwing | 2009 Timeout Camper



            Patriot Guard Rider since 2007 | IBA member #59823
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            • #7
              I went from the Kumho to the Alpin and liked the Alpin better so I ordered another one. Heck with the mileage I am getting out of the Alpin (23K) it will be a while before I try the Yoko.
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                Both are great tires for the Gold Wing. The key is matching the right tire to your particular needs, style and locale. The Alpin is a bit better if you are not a hard-charger. The Yoko is a better twistie tire. Both are solid tires. If I were a flatlander, I would probably prefer the Alpin and just run up the pressure if I went to the twisties. Where I live and how I ride, between the two I would get the Yoko.
                The downfall of every great society has always been immediately preceded by a significant increase in the number of lawyers.

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                  I made the decision to go to the dark side after a lot of reading, especially the experiences of so many others who had made this decision before I did. I've had the Yoko on my bike now for almost 10K and it's got at least that much left in it. Great handling tire and I feel absolutely 100% confident in the curves or on the slab with this. I'll definitely buy another one when this one wears out. Another thing that helped my research was the input of Ohiowinger's videos of the tire in action. See attached. Hope this helps anyone considering this move. You won't regret it!!
                  Yoko Avid Envig ZPS on wet roads - YouTube
                  http://www.youtube.com
                  Not raining just wet roads
                   
                  Ron - Montrose, CO
                  2018 Pearl White GL1800 DCT
                  2012 Pearl White GL1800 Level 1 - Sold @ 63K miles
                  I don't ride to make great time; I ride to have a great time!
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                  • speckfisher
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                    speckfisher commented
                    09-01-2014, 11:41 AM
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                    Excellent, thanks for posting OhioWinger's video. He's the member that convinced me that I should be riding with Yoko. Yoko and I have seen this country, rain/shine/hot/cold/dry......lol.
                  • OhioWinger
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                    OhioWinger commented
                    09-02-2014, 07:00 PM
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                    Its great my video helped you with your decision.
                  • 1096dad
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                    1096dad commented
                    09-02-2014, 07:26 PM
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                    Funny part is this particular video was the "dryer" version. Theres another one out there that is considerably more....damp!
                • #10
                  Here's one of the Michelin Alpin for anyone considering this tire.
                  MichelinPrimacyPA3CTVer2B - YouTube
                  http://www.youtube.com
                  This shows the Michelin Primacy Alpin PA3 195-55-16 Tire on my 2006 Goldwing. I never had a CT on my Goldwing until a week ago and I'm loving it. It's a run ...
                   
                  Ron - Montrose, CO
                  2018 Pearl White GL1800 DCT
                  2012 Pearl White GL1800 Level 1 - Sold @ 63K miles
                  I don't ride to make great time; I ride to have a great time!
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                  • speckfisher
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                    speckfisher commented
                    09-01-2014, 03:57 PM
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                    Thanks for posting this video of the Alpin.........perfect for those folks that are doing research.
                • #11
                  Wow just what i was looking for i will be going with Yoko i do ride on wet roads a lot makes the difference for me.
                  2018 DCT non tour, Pearl Stallion Brown, Double Darksider #856, Live To Ride, Love my Wing, IBA Member# 63744 Yellowbird Alias Coppertone

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                  • #12
                    I am not an expert but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last week, with Murgie no less. I liked the Alpin ( yes, I am the proverbial Flatlander ) and if you know that it doesn't like ham handed inputs in the corners and don't do that, it is a great tire. Haven't tried the Yoko.

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                      Hey Ray, glad you made it!

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                      • #14
                        Got about 7000 (so far) on the Alpin,,,, just came back from Colorado Rockies with lots of twisties....... love the tire. I don't push it in wet weather but think the rear will stick better than the front. (Past tires were Kumho, and Pirelli.)
                        Last edited by Rick Abell; 09-14-2014, 04:26 PM. Reason: added "so far"

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