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  • Alpin to Yoko

    Switched from the Alpin today and put on a Yoko (Avid ENVigor ZPS 195-55-16). I haven't had a chance to give it a good workout yet, but just running a couple miles down the road, I think I like the feel of it better. When the Alpin would rest on any sort of rise (a ridge in the road, gravel, etc), at slow speeds, it always felt like I was having to muscle it to keep it upright. This felt a little more like a round tire.

    That was my only complaint everabout the Michelin though. I put it on around 7500 miles, and am at 48,000 right now. It probably could have gone a few more, but I'm about to haul the Timeout to the coast, and felt it was a good time to change.
    2012 Honda Goldwing | 2009 Timeout Camper



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  • #2
    Exactly the tire I have on my bike and I absolutely love it! I've read a lot of good things about this tire and will probably put the same thing on when this one wears out.
    Ron - Montrose, CO
    2018 Pearl White GL1800 DCT
    2012 Pearl White GL1800 Level 1 - Sold @ 63K miles
    I don't ride to make great time; I ride to have a great time!

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    • #3
      Excellent, glad the tire is working for you. It's a great handling tire.
      '12 GL1800 Level 4 & '08 FLHX Darksider #1378

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      • #4
        Is that the all season version of the Yoko or the summer version?

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        • #5
          Their website seems to indicate it's the runflat version of their all-season tire:

          http://www.yokohamatire.com/tires/de...id_envigor_zps

          I probably should have updated this, and will do so more after I've done me Labor Day campout, but so far, I'm very impressed with this tire. It's definitely got a "rounder" feel than the Alpin had. That by itself is not necessarily a positive, but I think the flat profile of the Alpin was the reason I had odd slow speed handling issues.

          Basically, if the rear tire was on an uneven part of the road (or even a large chunk of gravel), the bike would feel like it was trying to tip one way or the other. My "theory" for this was that it was because of the flat profile. If you put a book on the edge of a table off-center (heavy side over the edge), it will lean as it tries to fall off. If you put a ball on the same edge, it just sort of moves over instead of leaning.

          I still feel a little of that heavy-handling, but not nearly as much, and it feels much more manageable to me.

          As far as ride, it's as smooth as the Michelin was, and today it rained and the grip seemed great.
          2012 Honda Goldwing | 2009 Timeout Camper



          Patriot Guard Rider since 2007 | IBA member #59823

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          • #6
            I would say with all most all CTs were going to get that crazy tipping feeling when were on gravel or an uneven surface. I have experienced it with my last two tires. I will getting another tire here shortly got my eye on the Yoko thanks for update keep us posted.
            2018 DCT non tour, Pearl Stallion Brown, Double Darksider #856, Live To Ride, Love my Wing, IBA Member# 63744 Yellowbird Alias Coppertone

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Yellowbird View Post
              I would say with all most all CTs were going to get that crazy tipping feeling when were on gravel or an uneven surface. I have experienced it with my last two tires. I will getting another tire here shortly got my eye on the Yoko thanks for update keep us posted.
              I can't quite say it's gone, but it's greatly diminished with the Yoko. So much so that on the few occasions I feel it now, it surprises me. With the Michelin, bracing for it became a habit.
              2012 Honda Goldwing | 2009 Timeout Camper



              Patriot Guard Rider since 2007 | IBA member #59823

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              • #8
                Loved the Yoko except that I would go through them pretty fast. Got around 11 or 12K out of first one but only 6K out of last one (and I mean it was worn way thin). Of course, that last one included my trip to/from Sturgis with MisterK and we weren't going slow (I'm normally aggressive anyway). Got a little frustrated with the lack of longevity so put on a Michelin Alpin. Got about 200 miles on my bike before my 5th gear blew so haven't really had a chance to evaluate it fully but I like it fine. Bike is currently in the shop (Rising Phoenix Motorsports in Argyle, TX). I guess if it comes down to slightly better handling with the Yoko but twice the miles out of the Alpin I'll stick with the Alpin since my bike is my daily driver (maybe keep a Yoko on my second wheel for trips to AR and the Twisted Sisters).
                Formerly txesq
                [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Tahoma]2001 [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Tahoma]Illusion Red[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Tahoma] Honda Goldwing ABS[/FONT][/COLOR]
                [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Tahoma]Darksider #1508 (currently 195/55R-16 Michelin Primacy Alpin PA3 ZP Run Flat; previously Yokohama AVID ENVigor ZPS Run Flat)[/FONT][/COLOR]

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                • #9
                  Wow just 11 to 12K out of a car tire may be something wrong with tire pressure those kind of number is what got me to the darkside. I have had better numbers with a kumo non run flat. I have been running a Bridgestone Turanza Run Flat 195/55/R16 for a little over 2 years have well over 24,000 on it. Others reported less then 10,000 with the same tire. I am not an aggressive rider perhaps that helps was looking for much more or the same from the Yoko. Thanks for your info
                  2018 DCT non tour, Pearl Stallion Brown, Double Darksider #856, Live To Ride, Love my Wing, IBA Member# 63744 Yellowbird Alias Coppertone

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Texas Wingnut View Post
                    Loved the Yoko except that I would go through them pretty fast. Got around 11 or 12K out of first one but only 6K out of last one (and I mean it was worn way thin). Of course, that last one included my trip to/from Sturgis with MisterK and we weren't going slow (I'm normally aggressive anyway). Got a little frustrated with the lack of longevity so put on a Michelin Alpin. Got about 200 miles on my bike before my 5th gear blew so haven't really had a chance to evaluate it fully but I like it fine. Bike is currently in the shop (Rising Phoenix Motorsports in Argyle, TX). I guess if it comes down to slightly better handling with the Yoko but twice the miles out of the Alpin I'll stick with the Alpin since my bike is my daily driver (maybe keep a Yoko on my second wheel for trips to AR and the Twisted Sisters).
                    Texas Wingnut, I am just curious about the conditions you were riding in to get the mileage stated on the Yokos.
                    1) Were you riding primarily on the slab or in the twisties?
                    2) Where on the tire did they wear out?
                    3) What psi were you running in the Yokos?

                    Originally posted by Yellowbird View Post
                    Wow just 11 to 12K out of a car tire may be something wrong with tire pressure those kind of number is what got me to the darkside. I have had better numbers with a kumo non run flat. I have been running a Bridgestone Turanza Run Flat 195/55/R16 for a little over 2 years have well over 24,000 on it. Others reported less then 10,000 with the same tire. I am not an aggressive rider perhaps that helps was looking for much more or the same from the Yoko. Thanks for your info
                    Yellowbird, the sad part is that the mileage that you were getting on your front tires will decrease as you build more confidence in the traction provided. Many folks have experienced this. I guess if you are going to dance, you will pay the fiddler.
                    Richard
                    Darksider #390
                    Murgie's FAQ

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                    • #11
                      Never tried Yokos yet looking into them. But i do run a lot of slabs no twisties in Fl. Running 34 psi rear 42 front, Plus i was eating up front tires dunlops E3s just switch to a BT 45 got 4000 miles on it still looks like new. Yokos may not be right for me . Thanks for your help
                      2018 DCT non tour, Pearl Stallion Brown, Double Darksider #856, Live To Ride, Love my Wing, IBA Member# 63744 Yellowbird Alias Coppertone

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