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    What kind of pressure are the guys with this tire running?
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  • #2
    I have not tried that particular tire, but let me provide some pressures I have used on various non run-flats.

    Bridgestone Ecopia EP100 = 36-38 psi
    Toyo Proxes T1R = 49 psi
    Falken ZE-912 = 44 psi

    Generally speaking I think most folks start a run-flat around 30 psi and most start a NON run-flat around 35 psi. Regardless of what most do, what I believe is a good practice is to start at the low end (say 35 psi in your case) and increase it in 2 psi increments (without exceeding the Max. psi printed on tire) until the handling suits you. The harder you ride,the higher the psi required.

    For myself, the issue is collapsing the sidewall so I have to put in enough air to keep that from happening. Keep in mind that the more psi you run, the faster the center will wear out.

    Good luck. Murgie has the DS numbers if you want one.
    Richard
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    • #3
      Originally posted by TravelinLite View Post
      I have not tried that particular tire, but let me provide some pressures I have used on various non run-flats.

      Bridgestone Ecopia EP100 = 36-38 psi
      Toyo Proxes T1R = 49 psi
      Falken ZE-912 = 44 psi

      Generally speaking I think most folks start a run-flat around 30 psi and most start a NON run-flat around 35 psi. Regardless of what most do, what I believe is a good practice is to start at the low end (say 35 psi in your case) and increase it in 2 psi increments (without exceeding the Max. psi printed on tire) until the handling suits you. The harder you ride,the higher the psi required.

      For myself, the issue is collapsing the sidewall so I have to put in enough air to keep that from happening. Keep in mind that the more psi you run, the faster the center will wear out.

      Good luck. Murgie has the DS numbers if you want one.
      I thought I read on here or another site where they were using this particular tire. I can't remember where I read it. I started at 32 and didn't like the squirmy feeling so after 50 miles or so I bumped it up to 42 just to firm up the sidewall and try that, not it seems like it gets on the edge of the tire and doesn't want to hold the line. I am going to ride it a bit more at 42 and see if the edge wearing off a bit will change that feeling. I am used to just rolling this thing around and being able to hold or adjust to any line, it definitely wants to push to the outside more now. Maybe after I get used to this thing and decide I like it I will get a darkside number.


      BTW I ride 2up 95% of the time, my copilot definitely doesn't like the squirmy feeling!
      Last edited by Basil Faulty; 12-24-2014, 07:31 AM. Reason: Added a comment
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Basil Faulty View Post

        I thought I read on here or another site where they were using this particular tire. I can't remember where I read it. I started at 32 and didn't like the squirmy feeling so after 50 miles or so I bumped it up to 42 just to firm up the sidewall and try that, not it seems like it gets on the edge of the tire and doesn't want to hold the line. I am going to ride it a bit more at 42 and see if the edge wearing off a bit will change that feeling. I am used to just rolling this thing around and being able to hold or adjust to any line, it definitely wants to push to the outside more now. Maybe after I get used to this thing and decide I like it I will get a darkside number.


        BTW I ride 2up 95% of the time, my copilot definitely doesn't like the squirmy feeling!

        Your experiences are definitely not what we normally hear. But who knows, maybe the DS isn't for you. There have been a few before that didn't like the CT.
        Richard
        Darksider #390
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        • #5
          My First was a solfwall tire ,, started at 40, it was not right, went with 42, much better, but not great... Went to 44 and left it there for 28,ooo miles with even ware...jp

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          • #6
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            • #7
              Ok, bumped the pressure up to 48, much better. The tire does follow imperfections in the road more than a MC tire and takes a little more input than a MC tire but nothing over the top at this point. I am going to leave it at 48 for now and play with pre-loads, rebound etc. and see what that gets me. Maybe I'll become a darksider after all.
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              • #8
                If it matters, it took me over a 1000 miles before I could say I was a darksider! Yeah, slow learner here. That was over a 144,000 miles ago.

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                • #9
                  Been really busy with the holidays and preparing for the move so I haven't had much riding time. Have a little over 600 miles on the tire now and have played with pressures some more, went as low as 42 and as high as 50. 48 seems like the right spot for me and this tire. I am pretty used to it now but it sometimes still catches me off guard and reminds me it isn't a motorcycle tire. Biggest things I notice are it will always find the low spot in the road, no matter what. Crowned roads, rutted up roads, roads with seams this tire always finds and follows the low spot. Long sweeping turns it always feels like it wants to go straight, you have to more actively control your line. The biggest thing I notice is it wants to go straight while braking with the rear brake. That being said, all of these are controllable it just takes a little more concentration on riding. Once in a while it catches me off guard and reminds me it's back there. I imagine after some more miles it will become second nature?
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                  • #10
                    1200 miles now and it is pretty much second nature. Also, it looks like the edge of the tire is rounded off a little more than it was so it feels like it transitions a lot better.
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                    • #11
                      4500 miles now and loving it. Just changed out my front E3for a 709 stone. Like the stone much better!!! The stone is much smoother and quieter. E3 only lasted 8500 miles and it was lumpy and had 3/32 left.
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                      Yokohama Envigor 195-55-16 rear Darkside #1591

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