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  • I defended you guys on BMW MOA FB page

    I'm not a Darksider as I don't like the feel of the lean transition and I like to slow ride very slow in parking lots.

    BUT, I don't drink the cool aide about how running CT will kill you, so there was a discussion on the BMW MOA forum where a guy asked about putting a CT on his K1200.

    You should have seen the CT hate & uninformed diatribe. Well, I'm aware of vehicle dynamics and tire construction (being a well trained retired LEO specializing in collision investigation & reconstruction) so I took it upon myself to at least open the minds of the uninformed.

    Asking for facts from the CT haters to substantiate their arguments was futile. When I disposed of a lot of their mis-information and posted photos of MCs (including Yellowolf) cornering on CTs, didn't work.

    I even invited them to meet us in Death Valley to watch CTs in action, to no avail.

    According to the MC experts over there, you all are walking dead riding on CTs, they don't corner, and your insurance won't pay when your CT causes a collision.

    Even though I don't run a CT, I keep an open mind and millions of safe MC CT miles can't be wrong.
    2006 Titanium Level 3 'Wing with a few 'farkles. From Mesa, Az.
    My avatar is me from a recent summer ride in the Phoenix Az area:"Its a dry heat"

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    It always amazes me that the ones that claim to know all about it have never ever actually had any personal experience with it and really don't want to look at the real world proof(as you found out)that it actually does work.I quit going to one forum over this exact subject earlier this summer.
    Chris
    Darkside # 1602
    If I knew it would've last this long I would've taken better care of it.

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    • #3
      Thanks Sandman.. It never ceases to amaze that these people can be so closed minded. Even after you spank one of them though the turns, they will still regurgitate the same misinformation.
      Richard
      Darksider #390
      Murgie's FAQ

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      • azsandrider
        azsandrider commented
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        It was a futile but fun thought experiment to champion the Darksider cause even if I don't run a CT...yet...I'm thinking of trying it though. I have been told it takes time to get used to the 'feel' to appreciate the CT vs MT...I'm not worried about dying if I try a CT....We will see... I have 2-3K left on my rear Bridgstone MT which is like a year left of riding...lol

      • kwthom
        kwthom commented
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        ...or, a weekend in Nye County having fun!

        It's a bit harder for slow riding, especially on a RF, and I've never tried a NRF CT to this point, but good on you having a debate with the closed-minded ones.

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      Got a link?
      George - 2013 F6B Standard - Largo, FL

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      • #5
        https://www.facebook.com/groups/bmwmoa/?fref=ts
        The search the page for Bobby Costner
        Yesterday at 08:37

        Good morning. Has anyone tried running a car tire on their k1200lt. I know the gold wing riders running car tires. Just wondering.

        2010 GL1800ADA (CDN eh!)
        DS 1126
        15 Tiger 800 XCX
        14 WR250R
        95 FLSTC Sold to a nice family.

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        • azsandrider
          azsandrider commented
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          You have a BMW as well?

          I tried to figure out how to link a specific FB topic but failed...thanks...

        • RaConnol
          RaConnol commented
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          No BMW, did think about trading the GW in on a new GS1200A, however, more research and better intelligence suggests I keep the GW and do a good build up on a new or newish KLR. The GW is perfect for the pavement and the KLR, with the proper upgrades, will do very nicely on the back roads I am interested in.

      • #6
        Good research you're doing AZ Rider. You might also consider the 175 size in lieu of the 195, that's what I did after many miles on the 195, the 175 rode much better, in my opinion.

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        • #7
          First, I want to thank Azsandrider for taking up the cause of the Darksiders, even if you haven't tried a CT yourself...YET.

          Secondly, I will be the first to admit that I was "one of those naysayers" for so many years....discounting an idea that I had not tried myself. I "thought" I knew SO much about motorcycles, and the tires we use, that how could anyone know more than me on this subject ? Hah !

          I used to give a hard time to those I saw at rallies that had a CT on their bikes....telling them how stupid they were....when the fact was that I was "uninformed"....and did not have the personal experience of how good a CT was on a motorcycle.

          I finally decided to do my own investigation, do the research, study all the CTs out there, and buy one, install it, and "risk my life".

          The end result is, I am so much happier with this CT...Michaelin Primacy Alpin 3 run-flat....and feel so much more confident on curves and corners than I have even felt on a MT. Yes, the added mileage of a CT is a great bonus, and one of the primary factors of buying the CT in the first palce, but the solid performance of the bike in high speed curves and corners has convinced me...I was the stupid person for doubting others...when I did not try the CT first, to have hands on experience from which to speak.

          I will henceforth use a CT, and sell off to the local naysayers the remaining rear MTs I have in my shop.

          As we "all" get older, we learn that it is not going to kill us if we admit we were wrong about something...and also admit that we learned a new lesson for the day/week/month/year. I will fully admit that "I" was wrong to be a naysayer about CTs on a motorcycle, that once I actually opened my mind...tried a CT on my own bike...and found how much more secure the bike feels....I have a lot of apologizing to do to those that I gave a hard time to in the last few years.

          Now...convincing a Beemer rider of the advantages of using a CT on a motorcycle...that is like telling them the world is round, when they all know it is flat.

          But in their defense, with the suspension systemsof the newer BMWs, with the Telelever and Paralever suspensions, and the low profile tires they use on the newer bikes.....it "may" not be an advantage to use a CT. One would have to try it...to know the end results.

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          • #8
            I don't think its as much a car tire hate as it is "its not OEM".

            So many people want to argue against anything not OEM, yet their bike, car, truck, unicycle are decked out with farkles not made
            by nor recommended by the manufacturing company.

            Just ignore uninformed people and do what you think best to YOUR property.

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            • #9
              Originally posted by Fatgrouchyguy View Post
              I don't think its as much a car tire hate as it is "its not OEM".

              So many people want to argue against anything not OEM, yet their bike, car, truck, unicycle are decked out with farkles not made
              by nor recommended by the manufacturing company.

              Just ignore uninformed people and do what you think best to YOUR property.
              Don't know about that.The question I always get is why would you want to put a square tire on your Wing.The other thing I see all the tine is that the only reason we go darkside is because we can buy cheap car tires.They think it's all about the money.They can't get their head around the fact that they handle just fine and while there are cheap tires very few people buy cheap car tires for their Wing.That and the fact that the CT is actually safer than a MC tire on these heavy bikes.
              Chris
              Darkside # 1602
              If I knew it would've last this long I would've taken better care of it.

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