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    I've been running a Yokohama Avid Envigor run flat on my bike for about 11K. I love this tire! Great traction, very comfortable on the slab or in the twisties and runs great in the rain. With that said, I've noticed many folks opting towards non run flat treads. (Falken 912 and the Yoko Avid NRF to mentions a couple). Obviously there's quite a difference in price but what other reasons are folks making this choice for a dark side option?
    Ron - Montrose, CO
    2018 Pearl White GL1800 DCT
    2012 Pearl White GL1800 Level 1 - Sold @ 63K miles
    I don't ride to make great time; I ride to have a great time!

  • #2
    Originally posted by 1096dad View Post
    I've been running a Yokohama Avid Envigor run flat on my bike for about 11K. I love this tire! Great traction, very comfortable on the slab or in the twisties and runs great in the rain. With that said, I've noticed many folks opting towards non run flat treads. (Falken 912 and the Yoko Avid NRF to mentions a couple). Obviously there's quite a difference in price but what other reasons are folks making this choice for a dark side option?
    Click on the FAQ in my signature and read about unsprung weight. This is essentially the biggest reason I run the Falken. The lightweight and super traction can't be beat.
    Richard
    Darksider #390
    Murgie's FAQ

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    • #3
      I spend most of my time on the edge of the tire, so in addition what Travelin wrote, the cost is also a consideration for me. I can be almost into the cords and still have 4/32 tread left in the middle. I have to change my tires more often than I change my oil.

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      • #4
        Murgie it would be fun riding with you. But you would probably get tired of waiting for me at stop signs.

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        • Elrod
          Elrod commented
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          Don't worry about that. I am living proof that he will wait for you. LOL

      • #5
        Originally posted by 1096dad View Post
        I've been running a Yokohama Avid Envigor run flat on my bike for about 11K. I love this tire! Great traction, very comfortable on the slab or in the twisties and runs great in the rain. With that said, I've noticed many folks opting towards non run flat treads. (Falken 912 and the Yoko Avid NRF to mentions a couple). Obviously there's quite a difference in price but what other reasons are folks making this choice for a dark side option?
        For me, it's because a RF isn't made in my size. 175-60R16

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        • #6
          Bought a rim with a non-run flat already on it.After I wear this one out I'll see if I can a afford a run-flat and a TPMS.
          Chris
          Darkside # 1602
          If I knew it would've last this long I would've taken better care of it.

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          • #7
            I want a size that corrects my speedo...so it has to be a non run flat.
            Rob

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            • Elrod
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              Why not get a Speedo-Healer and get any size you want?

          • #8
            Run flat tires are very important on a bike, you don't wanna find yourself on the rim @ 70 mph.
            It happened to me this past spring, ( riding 2 up) well not on the rim because I had a run flat, the bike was very manageable.
            I don't want to think about what could've happened with a non run flat tire, 2up on a goldwing

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            • #9
              That is the good thing about the darkside Johnharder. You call the shots and you manage the risk.
              Richard
              Darksider #390
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              • #10
                I have a run flat mounted. I like the security of mind that if far from home I can limp home or to a shop to get the tire fixed properly. I still carry tools and tire repair kit for the front and back. I wish someone would make a run flat for the front tire.
                "I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for few public officials." (George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 425-426)

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                • #11
                  Do you really want a tire that may come off the bead at speed?
                  It doesn't matter if we are talking motorcycle or car tires.the same question applies.
                  I run tires that have a stiff enough sidewall and strong enough bead that I can safely get off the road without worrying about losing control due to a tire coming off the rim.

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                  • #12
                    Originally posted by jmohme
                    Do you really want a tire that may come off the bead at speed?
                    It doesn't matter if we are talking motorcycle or car tires.the same question applies.
                    I run tires that have a stiff enough sidewall and strong enough bead that I can safely get off the road without worrying about losing control due to a tire coming off the rim.
                    Just curious. Do you know of any examples, CT or MT, where the tire came off the rim at speed? If so, do you have any details regarding the incident?
                    Richard
                    Darksider #390
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                    • #13
                      I worded that wrong. I should have said "off the bead". And yes I have seen that happen, but not on a run flat tire

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                      • #14
                        Originally posted by TravelinLite View Post

                        Just curious. Do you know of any examples, CT or MT, where the tire came off the rim at speed? If so, do you have any details regarding the incident?
                        I can provide an example of catastrophic failure of a MT which I could be valuable to some. I was not present, but was close to two riders.

                        I believe it was the summer of 1994 or 95, a small group of my Harley friends where on road trip returning from the 4 Corners.
                        Three bikes. One couple on a pair of HD Heritage Softails, another couple, two up on a HD Limited pulling a bushtec trailer.

                        A sometime during this ride a rather large nail had been picked up by the rear tire of the Limited and had worked it way up the sidewall. After an unknown period of time, the side wall split open and ripped a 4 inch gash with a sound that my buddy on the Heritage discribed as a 357 handgun. He actually thought someone was shooting at them from nearby.

                        The couple on the Ultra where wearing standard HD desert clothing, 1/2 helmets, t-shirts, jeans and boots, when the rear tire completely collapsed on the rim, which traveling at 80 mph down the desert interstate.

                        The driver, John, knew he was loosing control of the bike and trailer and told his wife they were going down. The ultra and trailer when off the road and tumbled many times, sending both riders "flying" further down the ditch, but thankfully away from the train wreck that was the Ultra and Trailer.

                        Heroic efforts from passersby, and several months in rehab, allowed both the driver and passenger to return to riding.
                        No trailers, ATGATT, and she got her own Harley.

                        That was long before I knew about the Darkside, and we all became very good at checking our tires each day on long trips.

                        This is a habit I continue to this day. The centre stand of the GW makes if very easy to rotate the rear tire with one foot, with the bike in neutral, and inspect the rear tire for any damage, nails, screws, etc.

                        Rick
                        2010 GL1800ADA (CDN eh!)
                        DS 1126
                        15 Tiger 800 XCX
                        14 WR250R
                        95 FLSTC Sold to a nice family.

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                        • #15
                          Rick, thanks for the info. Sure glad your friends survived the accident. It is funny (well, maybe not funny) but when I lost mine I was going about the speed of your buddy. I was on I-25 northbound headed out of Colorado Springs. I too remember that I was going to lose control and yelled to my passenger to GET OFF. I don't really think we had to get off because once the bike catapulted into the air, I think it threw us off. That was on a 1972 (or 1973) BMW R75/5 running tubed tires. It was the rear that gave out and experienced a rapid loss of air. Bike was totaled but rider and passenger (luckily) walked away.
                          Richard
                          Darksider #390
                          Murgie's FAQ

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