Interesting point of view on Ferguson from a LEO author

[azsandrider]

Here is the link: http://chrishernandezauthor.com/2014...uson-missouri/

[speckfisher]

Good read Sir........I appreciate the authors point of view.

[oldguy]

That's bull. One should never let facts get in the way of race baiting

[clayusmcret]

Good write-up. I'm from a family where members of the previous generation were cops (one city, two deputies and two state police). Then my son was one for awhile. Now, I'm glad he's not.

[azsandrider]

I'm glad I'm retired. With all this negative media a LEO is damned if he does and if he does not. Sometimes there are no right answers and a LEO just does the best he can in the situation.

I don't why anyone would want to do the job for the low pay with the public attitudes any longer.

Plus people watch cop TV shows & movies and think thats real life. Like we all can shoot exactly wera we want to and all are Bruce Lee fighters etc. LEOs are just people, like everyone else, but with hard job to do.

[Biker John]

I'm glad I'm retired. With all this negative media a LEO is damned if he does and if he does not. Sometimes there are no right answers and a LEO just does the best he can in the situation.

I don't why anyone would want to do the job for the low pay with the public attitudes any longer.

Plus people watch cop TV shows & movies and think thats real life. Like we all can shoot exactly wera we want to and all are Bruce Lee fighters etc. LEOs are just people, like everyone else, but with hard job to do.

[Rick Mays]

It is a tough job for sure. But life would be something none of us would want with out them.

[Jack]

Not too much in the news about this similar incident: http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/u...-media-reacted Where's the outrage? the rioting? the looting?

[Kit Carson]

Well the entire situation is amazing to me. I suppose it makes me worry about our nation and what the future holds.

No one better than I loves to contest with the police over minor B.S. Give me a speeding ticket for 41 mph in a 35 mph zone and war has just been declared. :D I have illustrated in past times that because the police do these things to all, this is the reason no one likes a cop. This is the reason that all of society does wish to take its revenge upon cops. So something happens and rather than look at the situation with simple common sense, that wish for revenge becomes prevalent above all else.

Yet I see society accept assault on a police officer as being OK. I see that looting, riots and Neanderthal mentality to be the accepted and privileged way of all that is wrong to be called right.

I see leaders of authority becoming of the mentality to support all that is wrong, what is it called when a hostage held by a criminal begins to protect the criminal in hopes the criminal will let them go? Seems to same to me, as leaders become Wussies and sympathize with the mentality of wrong.

To me the right thing to have done was move in with water cannons, rubber bullets , bean bags and gas and educate the Neanderthal mentality that this is America and we do not allow these things.

There is no other purpose in looting and riots and tearing down of stores other than the illustration of a part of our society that have no morals, and no appreciation for our freedom and safety in this nation. Those who conduct these things should be hammered and considered only fodder for the landfill.

Kit Carson.............I love this nation and our freedom, and I despise those who tear it down.

[Bucfan11]

I don't why anyone would want to do the job for the low pay with the public attitudes any longer.
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For the early tax payer funded retirement...and a very good retirement it is.

[speckfisher]

Well the entire situation is amazing to me. I suppose it makes me worry about our nation and what the future holds.

No one better than I loves to contest with the police over minor B.S. Give me a speeding ticket for 41 mph in a 35 mph zone and war has just been declared. :D I have illustrated in past times that because the police do these things to all, this is the reason no one likes a cop. This is the reason that all of society does wish to take its revenge upon cops. So something happens and rather than look at the situation with simple common sense, that wish for revenge becomes prevalent above all else.

Yet I see society accept assault on a police officer as being OK. I see that looting, riots and Neanderthal mentality to be the accepted and privileged way of all that is wrong to be called right.

I see leaders of authority becoming of the mentality to support all that is wrong, what is it called when a hostage held by a criminal begins to protect the criminal in hopes the criminal will let them go? Seems to same to me, as leaders become Wussies and sympathize with the mentality of wrong.

To me the right thing to have done was move in with water cannons, rubber bullets , bean bags and gas and educate the Neanderthal mentality that this is America and we do not allow these things.

There is no other purpose in looting and riots and tearing down of stores other than the illustration of a part of our society that have no morals, and no appreciation for our freedom and safety in this nation. Those who conduct these things should be hammered and considered only fodder for the landfill.

Kit Carson.............I love this nation and our freedom, and I despise those who tear it down.

I must say I agree with everything except the,"fodder for the landfill"........ My opinion, we as a nation are once again on a slippery slope concerning our direction and understanding of the basics of right and wrong. If a person goes for an officer's weapon and they don't believe they should be shot for doing so, then I just don't understand. I mean really.........what are these folks thinking. I'll accept the fact that I am old fashioned in my thinking.........like grabbing an officer's weapon is ever something a normal person would ever think of doing. That's our problem, these folks don't understand normal.

Do you think as a nation we will ever find normal again? Wait a minute, were we ever normal?

[Kit Carson]

I must say I agree with everything except the,"fodder for the landfill"........ My opinion, we as a nation are once again on a slippery slope concerning our direction and understanding of the basics of right and wrong. If a person goes for an officer's weapon and they don't believe they should be shot for doing so, then I just don't understand. I mean really.........what are these folks thinking. I'll accept the fact that I am old fashioned in my thinking.........like grabbing an officer's weapon is ever something a normal person would ever think of doing. That's our problem, these folks don't understand normal.

Do you think as a nation we will ever find normal again? Wait a minute, were we ever normal?

I fear normal is gone.

Illustrated very simply. You and I, and those of our generation will help others and for instance we would automatically help an older person pick up their groceries, help by opening the door, whatever . We do these things simply because it is right, and we do have compassion to help.

In our new society the thug who knocks the older person down has rights, the thugs rights must be protected more than any other part of the entire situation. 25 years ago this thug if shot would have not even been a concern, as society saw them as a thug. If you stepped outside the bounds of decency and respect to others you got what you got.

Just like yourself, we out here will run you down as a teacher at times, say things like there is no common sense in the school system anymore, well this is not exactly true, yes many teachers are a product of the times, but society is the real culprit.

If I misbehaved in school I got punished, and if my parents found out about it, I got it again . Lol! So I grew up with a good base construction of right and wrong.

Not so today, a kid does not behave, just be nice, make sure you do not violate their right to be a disturbance. Yes there is more right provided to wrong than right.

Nope we are extinct, it is the new way. If you smack one of those kids for some offense, you now deserve to go to jail. How dare you yell at my kid, you just hurt their feelings.

What we did consider normal, no I think it is now extinct.

[speckfisher]

Correct, abnormal is the new normal among the narcissistic thug crowd. As with any society we are all charged with keeping the bullies at bay. When did the bullies/thugs get rights to act like bullies/thugs? Folks looting stores as a demonstration is ridiculous in any civilized society. Oops, did I accidentally say civilized.........:p. Uncivilized is the new normal, or that's their message........makes no sense to us civilized folks when we see such nonsense.

As Spock would say,"That's not logical." So I watch the news to become depressed/amused/dismayed, by what I perceive to be illogical. Please realize I have always been a pessimistic optimist.........:confused:

Kids in my world are in many ways the same kind of kids we have always had. Yes, of course I am talking about the normal ones.......there is still a great majority of normal thinking kids in school (got to trust me on this one). We just read about the abnormal ones........my job is to teach those willing to learn and respectively redirect the others that choose to be abnormal. It takes a special kind of over academically educated fool, to teach kids. I dare anyone, no I triple dare anyone.......to substitute teach for a day or two at various schools. You will have a blast and you will be worn out at the end of the day. Problem with education is not education.......it's not the normal student. The problem is that a money making scheme to privatize education using public funding is upon us. They are imploding public education and making private/charter schools the way to go. Teachers don't get health insurance/retirement.....bla bla bla. They also don't have to be certified or educated on how to educate a student (this is an art that some tenured teachers never figured out).......... I mentor as much as I teach, I role model correct behavior regardless of the current situation at hand, I gain/earn the trust of my students and then never loose it. I make education amusing and entertaining or they will not learn. There are no short cuts, but in things of great importance this always holds true. I have been a very blue collar guy and have also been a very white collar guy in my past. Kids today are as fascinating as ever. To bad we are always seeing the other ones making the news.

[Beep Beep]

Kit Carson, you hit the nail right on the head! I sometimes apologize to my kids for bringing them into this world.

[Kit Carson]

Kit Carson, you hit the nail right on the head! I sometimes apologize to my kids for bringing them into this world.

Although some may not understand that statement, I fully understand it.

All one can do is hope that the tolerance and new attitude does not cause them to become a victim.

Along those similar thoughts a strong willed teenager is a real problem today. If that child becomes hard to control and you do control that child then you have the school system and social workers landing inside the family wishing to put the one who kept control into jail and to call it abuse.

Yes it is a real problem today, for instance if a 14 year old boy tells you at the dinner table when you jump him about his grades just what you can do............and you knock him out of the dinner chair, uh oh............look out if he runs to school and cries. If you allow him to control you, then he grows up without respect and discipline to others.

Yes it is a mess, all we can do is our best staying within the bounds of the new society. And hope

We have allowed the creation of the new society, rules and ways to deal with abuse are wonderful, but they have become corrupted to where a problem child who is strong willed most likely will become a product of the new society and end up with a criminal record.

Many things we see today are simply because parents fear to discipline a child. Soon that child controls the family.

No answer that I see, it is what it is, it is the new way, and it all started years ago with spare the rod and spoil the child. It has become reality in modern times.

Each kid is different, some all you have to do is talk to them, those who are strong willed, talk is but talk. They need an impression.

[gr8phun]

It's an election year
The Libs are making sure the troops will get out the vote

[BMXDad]

For the early tax payer funded retirement...and a very good retirement it is.

I will be able to retire at age 54 if I want, with 22 years of service. At that time, my base salary will be about 62k a year. Retirement will be 70% of that. Family healthcare for a retired Officer (If I stay on the city plan) will be right around $1100.00 a month.

Tell me again how "Very Good" that retirement is.......

[azsandrider]

I was hired in 1985 as a police officer and was promised certain benefits, including a retirement package. Back then, the economy was doing well and the police departments were having trouble finding qualified recruits. They were offering hiring bonuses, the retirement plans were good, I got 3 raises in the police academy as other nearby departments were competing by raising salaries. I got offers to switch departments in the academy.

I retired after 26+ years of service and now the economy is not so good, qualified police recruits are plentiful due to so many people laid off, departments have downsized and salaries are cut.

NOW people are complaining about the privileged police retirees but 25+ years ago we had few applicants.

BUT what really is upsetting is some people thinking retired police officers did not earn their retirements! I have walked in the filth of human excrement, blood, brains, been spit upon, cursed, hit by cars, punched, condemned, etc. ad nausea um for most of my career (mostly from supervisors :p)

Then I retire after paying 7.5% from every paycheck towards my retirement for 26+ years while the department only contributed 3% for the same period of time AND people say the taxpayers are paying for MY retirement?

In Arizona in 2001 the public safety retirement fund was 160% funded, then the fund manage (who was not picked by police or fire but by governors) invested heavily in Dot Coms in the early 2000s, loosing money, then 2008 hit, then 2011 hit, then they found the fund manager had 'mis-managed' our funds and he was fired (no wait - he retired in lieu of firing), and now our fund is 60% funded and I won't get a cost of living raise for about 20 yrs, when I'm 70....

I only want what was promised when I was hired. I didn't compel them to offer me such a good retirement. Back then even most corporations give comparable retirement benefits.

If the 'public' wants to change the retirement benefits, fine for the new hires. The new hires can agree to be hired under the new plans, but to go back on promises made when we were hired is not right. Police officers planned out lives for retirement and put up with a job that had rewards but also had a lot of bad things at a pay rates that aren't really that good for what we have to do and the 'public' wants to change 'their' promise NOW?

Its not right...

Again, I have no idea why there is any one willing to be a police officer any longer, at least any good honest qualified person.

[Kit Carson]

I will be able to retire at age 54 if I want, with 22 years of service. At that time, my base salary will be about 62k a year. Retirement will be 70% of that. Family healthcare for a retired Officer (If I stay on the city plan) will be right around $1100.00 a month.

Tell me again how "Very Good" that retirement is.......

I read the rules to be sure, I guess we can mess around a bit.

You really should check into the new and better health care plan offered by our leader of the land. I hear is is salvation for all. Yep you should go check into that. :p

[Kit Carson]

I was hired in 1985 as a police officer and was promised certain benefits, including a retirement package. Back then, the economy was doing well and the police departments were having trouble finding qualified recruits. They were offering hiring bonuses, the retirement plans were good, I got 3 raises in the police academy as other nearby departments were competing by raising salaries. I got offers to switch departments in the academy.

I retired after 26+ years of service and now the economy is not so good, qualified police recruits are plentiful due to so many people laid off, departments have downsized and salaries are cut.

NOW people are complaining about the privileged police retirees but 25+ years ago we had few applicants.

BUT what really is upsetting is some people thinking retired police officers did not earn their retirements! I have walked in the filth of human excrement, blood, brains, been spit upon, cursed, hit by cars, punched, condemned, etc. ad nausea um for most of my career (mostly from supervisors :p)

Then I retire after paying 7.5% from every paycheck towards my retirement for 26+ years while the department only contributed 3% for the same period of time AND people say the taxpayers are paying for MY retirement?

In Arizona in 2001 the public safety retirement fund was 160% funded, then the fund manage (who was not picked by police or fire but by governors) invested heavily in Dot Coms in the early 2000s, loosing money, then 2008 hit, then 2011 hit, then they found the fund manager had 'mis-managed' our funds and he was fired (no wait - he retired in lieu of firing), and now our fund is 60% funded and I won't get a cost of living raise for about 20 yrs, when I'm 70....

I only want what was promised when I was hired. I didn't compel them to offer me such a good retirement. Back then even most corporations give comparable retirement benefits.

If the 'public' wants to change the retirement benefits, fine for the new hires. The new hires can agree to be hired under the new plans, but to go back on promises made when we were hired is not right. Police officers planned out lives for retirement and put up with a job that had rewards but also had a lot of bad things at a pay rates that aren't really that good for what we have to do and the 'public' wants to change 'their' promise NOW?

Its not right...

Again, I have no idea why there is any one willing to be a police officer any longer, at least any good honest qualified person.

That was my opinion of being a police officer many years ago, I found that one could not be honest because the job would not allow you to be honest.

In current times the entities demand money, and the officers run about collecting it. This puts a sour taste in the mouth of the citizens because any and all contact with the police is negative.

So something serious comes along and an officer defends himself and does the world a favor by taking out a thug, and the citizenship is so negative in its views of the police they take advantage of this and crucify the police. From the news media to the average citizen, the corruption of the police from collection of revenue to daily news of police chiefs caught with their hands painted red, sets the stage for how the public views the police.

Nope they would not allow you to be honest way back long ago, in modern times.......ya have to be kidding.

In the question of this thread, the reaction of the world towards the situation, the pent up frustration of the public is seen in its reaction in its wish to crucify a police officer who just did his job.

The police are now the ones who enforce the laws the public finds very distasteful. From revenue collection to collection of the county tax bill, to possibly one day knocking on the door and taking our guns.

Yes the police are the enforcers of all we find distasteful, and this is why you see the reaction seen each time a police officer is involved in a shooting, it matters not if it was justified, that is not the deal, all that matters is there is another situation for revenge.

And that is the reason you see the news media and the public reaction as it is today.

As a well known criminal with a framed and presented speeding ticket on the wall, that says I conducted the criminal act of doing 41 mph in a 35 mph zone, I also have this opinion of the police. They are not my buddy, they are not my friend, they are but another form of tax collection. A from of greed found distasteful in all walks of life, where all those of greed including insurance companies use the unfairness of the entire situation to collect more revenue themselves.

Society has changed and the police rather than standing apart, have become the enforcers of the voice of the districts they work for and these districts are controlled by the corrupt. So the reaction of the public is never positive.

Over time this has backfired upon us all, because now the hands of the police are shackled and many times rather than get involved they simply do not. The reason for this is the public reaction. The thugs and criminals have obtained rights, and the public supports these rights against the police due to the negative views earned in our new society.

Never fear if a thug is beating you up, I will still stop and help, then I will fuss with you later about other things. Two wrongs do not make it all right, but most in life only wish to commit more wrongs out of revenge, and so .............well that is the explanation of the why things are as they are.

I knew long ago when just a youngster starting life, I wanted no part of the police. You see I always have believed that right is right and wrong is wrong for all people, and that the mayor is not allowed to sell drugs out of the hardware store while others are not. I did not believe that Uncle Bob was immune while the average citizen was not. That did not set well..........not at all. That was years ago, and it is much, much worse today.

Kit