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  • One of the Obamacare Authors admits the bill was written to make it hard to understand.

    You will not friggin believe this! Or at least you shouldn't.. but by now we can expect anything from this corrupt administration. Watch the video at the bottom.
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    One of the architects of Obamacare said the law was written in a deliberately “tortured” way and relied on the “stupidity of the American voter” to ensure its passage.
    In a newly unearthed 2013 clip, Jonathan Gruber, the MIT health economist who helped craft parts of the Affordable Care Act, got fairly candid about the tactics used to get the Affordable Care Act passed during a panel at the Annual Health Economists’ Conference last year.
    “This bill was written in a tortured way to make sure [the Congressional Budget Office] did not score the mandate as taxes,” Gruber said in one 52-second clip. “If CBO scored the mandate as taxes, the bill dies. OK, so it’s written to do that. In terms of risk-rated subsidies, if you had a law which said that healthy people are going to pay in – you made explicit healthy people pay in and sick people get money, it would not have passed.”
    Gruber then trumpeted the value of a “lack of transparency” — and called American voters stupid.
    “Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage,” Gruber said. “And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really really critical for the thing to pass.”
    Better for the American people to be saddled with a law they don’t understand, Gruber claimed, than for them to understand the law and rally against it.
    “Look, I wish … we could make it all transparent,” Gruber said, “but I’d rather have this law than not.”

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    FOX and other conservative writers and commentators were reporting this years ago but the LEFT and the gov controlled MSM shouted them down as being liars, alarmists, etc. Over 60% of the American public prior to the passage of the ACA did not want the ACA and protested in Washington and at town hall meetings; but to no avail. Apparently the informed Americans knew better than the low information voters who put these bastards in office who delivered up this shame Bill.
    "I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for few public officials." (George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 425-426)

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Matt Caswell View Post
      You will not friggin believe this! Or at least you shouldn't.. but by now we can expect anything from this corrupt administration. Watch the video at the bottom.
      I not only "believe" it, I fully expected something like this to have happened. The only "surprise" for me is that he openly admitted it in a way that could be proven.

      Let's face it, when Nancy Pelosi said "we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it", she wasn't playing to our intellect or basic common sense.
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      • #4
        29 of the 50 DEMOCRAT Reps that voted for it - were voted out office in 2014 - They may not be able to over turn a Veto of it - but they have the votes to defund it
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        • #5
          Liars, damned liars and politicians. Regardless of affiliation, our elected officials seem to lack integrity. But then again, we don't insist they have any either.
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          • #6
            Conservatives are outraged. Liberals don't seem upset that the law was proposed and passed in that underhanded way. Maybe liberals are too dumb to care; which explains the label of being a low information voter. The nation will suffer because of these Machiavellian orchestrations.
            "I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for few public officials." (George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 425-426)

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            • #7
              Honest to God this guy is nothing more than a POS. But I am not surprised at all...makes me SICK

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              • #8
                Typical Liberal Elite®, whats funny is that they despise their biggest supporters as much as they do their opponents.. What a bunch of low info Tools...
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by alphadog View Post
                  Typical Liberal Elite®, whats funny is that they despise their biggest supporters as much as they do their opponents.. What a bunch of low info Tools...
                  They always seem to know what is "best" for everyone. Yuck.
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                  • #10
                    Apparently this POS said basically the same thing on three different occasions... so it wasn't merely a slip of the tongue.
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                    • #11
                      Another low life liberal socialist writing laws we all have to live with, obviously try to bring American 'legal' citizens to our knees.

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                      • #12
                        The WH and the rest of the democratic progressives love to tell everyone that premiums will drop:
                        http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2009/...esses-lower-pr
                        and
                        http://www.democraticleader.gov/news...gher-premiums/

                        but the truth in the matter is that premiums will go up in 2015, http://health.usnews.com/health-news...-are-you-ready .

                        Nevermind that the WH or Pelosi don't know Gruber or that his work/reports had no effect on the ACA.
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                        • #13
                          I'm am liking this forum more every day in every way.

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                          • #14
                            The federal government has no authority in the area of health care. On that fact alone it should have struck down by the Supreme Court. In addition no law can mandate citizens to buy something. The fact that the ACA mandates people to buy health insurance is unconstitutional. The Supreme Court declared it a tax, thereby letting the law stand. It's a great boon for insurance companies. They were huge contributors to the reelection of our current president. Imagine owning a business where the government forces everyone to buy your now inferior product with features they will never use at inflated prices.

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                              Insurance companies are willing participants in ObozoCare, either intimidated or promised a bag of gold by the liberal establishment. It's mind set, let's see how much we can screw over the good American Citizens of this country. The Supreme Court, there's a joke, packed with with liberal thinkers who have no concept of the Constitution or what it means.

                          • #15
                            The 5th video of Gruber being more intelligent than the sheep and mocking an individual. Elites will always know what's best for the sheep and spare no breath in letting the sheep know it. Gruber and his cabal (progressive democrats) are examples of why Elites should not be allowed to run anything, for they are control freaks. These acolytes live by Alinsky's words "the end justifies almost any means...."p.29"

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                            • #16
                              Originally posted by Jack View Post
                              The federal government has no authority in the area of health care. On that fact alone it should have struck down by the Supreme Court. In addition no law can mandate citizens to buy something. The fact that the ACA mandates people to buy health insurance is unconstitutional. The Supreme Court declared it a tax, thereby letting the law stand. It's a great boon for insurance companies. They were huge contributors to the reelection of our current president. Imagine owning a business where the government forces everyone to buy your now inferior product with features they will never use at inflated prices.
                              Not really. Insurance companies are nothing more than willing dupes. They will soon be screwed out of business by the communists whose ultimate goal is government control of health care.

                              Nobama/Nocare was only intended to be temporary when it was created by leftist criminals. Their ultimate plan is to replace Nobama/Nocare with what the elites call "single payer." Single payer means government healthcare which is where we'll go in severak years once the insurance compananies are crushed.
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                              • #17
                                Originally posted by HBarlow View Post

                                Not really. Insurance companies are nothing more than willing dupes. They will soon be screwed out of business by the communists whose ultimate goal is government control of health care.

                                Nobama/Nocare was only intended to be temporary when it was created by leftist criminals. Their ultimate plan is to replace Nobama/Nocare with what the elites call "single payer." Single payer means government healthcare which is where we'll go in severak years once the insurance compananies are crushed.
                                What he said. It's nothing more than a known-in-advance broken plan that democrats know the republicans will eventually have to fix; and the only way to fix it is to either throw it out completely (which the media would never allow) or throw billions and billions at it until they finally have to replace it completely with a single payer program.
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                                • #18
                                  Originally posted by TravelinLite View Post
                                  Liars, damned liars and politicians. Regardless of affiliation, our elected officials seem to lack integrity. But then again, we don't insist they have any either.
                                  I'll just state the obvious that we all already know, and have known since we became contributing members of this society.

                                  Every single politician is completely bought and payed for, lock, stock, and barrel, by the big boys (corporate America), prior to any of them running for a national office. They own those folks because those folks sold their integrity, honesty, and moral values prior to running for office, or they would have never made it. It is, what it is. The war machine and corporate America took control during WWII and it's been a run away train ever since. All we little people can do is sit in the back and look out the window and wonder when we will all crash and burn. To think we have any say is just plain ridiculous. Nuff Said, even though I really want to say more.
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                                  • #19
                                    Originally posted by HBarlow View Post

                                    Not really. Insurance companies are nothing more than willing dupes. They will soon be screwed out of business by the communists whose ultimate goal is government control of health care.

                                    Nobama/Nocare was only intended to be temporary when it was created by leftist criminals. Their ultimate plan is to replace Nobama/Nocare with what the elites call "single payer." Single payer means government healthcare which is where we'll go in severak years once the insurance compananies are crushed.
                                    Everyone will have Medicaid. Ask your doctors if they like taking Medicaid patients. With the high cost of loans to pay off and malpractice insurance it is no wonder that there will be a shortage of doctors. Hospitals will close, unless run by the gov. , then all the employees can belong to a union and never have to worry about being fired.

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                                    • #20
                                      Well. the Mainstream Media has reluctantly started reporting on the Gruber debacle. Of course it is almost a week after Fox broke the story. Sort of makes the Libs and their willing accomplices in the MSM look like "stupid" ones, doesn't it?

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