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    Shootings in 3 separate places around Parliament in Ottawa, shots also near a mall, 1 soldier shot, 1 gunman dead. Sargent at arms in parliament building took out one shooter. Police still searching for multiple suspects. Its been going on most of the morning. Hope they get them all.

  • #2
    My condolences to the victims/families.
    "I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for few public officials." (George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 425-426)

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    • #3
      I remember reading the great argument over gun rights and why the need to carry in Canada from all our Canadian friends. They said there is no need...............The world is changing so get your head out of the sand and run for cover.
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      • #4
        What was it that Ben Franklin said about Liberty and Security?
        Richard
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        • #5
          Was the sergeant-at-arms armed or did he wrestle the firearm from the terrorist?
          "I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for few public officials." (George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 425-426)

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          • ddubya
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            I don't know for sure but I would assume he was armed. I have not heard them talk about how things went down between the Sergeant-At-Arms and the terrorist.

        • #6
          Another recently converted Islam. It must be one of the requirements to go ape s__t if you recently convert to Islam.
          Sad news for Canada and the rest of the world. Damn all terrorists!
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          • #7
            "The times, they are achangin."

            We're not making progress trying to contain terrorists. In my opinion, its time we realize evil needs to be destroyed, not contained. We need leaders, not politicians.

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            • #8
              Just like the recent act of terror that happened at that food plant in Oklahoma, the one in Ottawa yesterday was stopped by an armed citizen before more people could be killed. Can you imagine the carnage that would have ensued if the man in Oklahoma and in Ottawa had not been carrying a gun? Thankfully that Sgt-At-Arms had a gun. A good argument against gun control I'd say.

              Those two Soldiers who were standing guard at the War Memorial were both carrying unloaded or non-firing rifles and unfortunately one of them was shot down in cold blood. That terrorist act yesterday would have been stopped right there if those two soldiers had been able to fire their weapons.

              The world is moving into a much more dangerous time where we need more, not less armed citizens. The best way to stop a bad man with a gun is a good man with a gun.

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              • #9
                These chain of events are worst than the "Cold War" era. Today it's watch and see what I can do instead of who will push the button first. With lack of security and firearms Canada is easy pickin's.........I am really surprised that our brothers from the north have not spoken.......
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                • #10
                  Originally posted by wingleader09 View Post
                  Just like the recent act of terror that happened at that food plant in Oklahoma, the one in Ottawa yesterday was stopped by an armed citizen before more people could be killed. Can you imagine the carnage that would have ensued if the man in Oklahoma and in Ottawa had not been carrying a gun? Thankfully that Sgt-At-Arms had a gun. A good argument against gun control I'd say.

                  Those two Soldiers who were standing guard at the War Memorial were both carrying unloaded or non-firing rifles and unfortunately one of them was shot down in cold blood. That terrorist act yesterday would have been stopped right there if those two soldiers had been able to fire their weapons.

                  The world is moving into a much more dangerous time where we need more, not less armed citizens. The best way to stop a bad man with a gun is a good man with a gun.
                  OMG, soldiers standing guard with guns that don't shoot, brilliant. Now's there's a great example of political correctness. How did that work out for the politicians?

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                  • micky
                    micky commented
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                    this is nothing new, I was stationed at gitmo during the Cuban crisis and pulled fence patrol with m1's with no ammo

                • #11
                  The fact that a young man was shot is terrible..
                  To make the leap from that to advocating that citizens be allowed to carry handguns is a huge stretch.
                  (This is not the wild west)

                  BTW Parliament's Sgt at Arms is NOT a private citizen.
                  Nor are the multitude of other security personal that carry firearms on Parliament Hill.

                  In the USA on average 7 people are shot every 60 minutes every day!
                  So many that in most cases the incidents are only mentioned in the local media!

                  When was the last time the American media covered ANY firearms related shooting that occurred within Canada?
                  These tragic events are far from everyday occurrences. Even with 1/10 the population!

                  Within the United States many of it's citizens are afraid to travel without having a firearm on their possession to feel secure.
                  Though nationally it is not looked upon as being unfortunate.
                  When you travel internationally you will find that this type of self security (feeling the need to carry a firearm) is not looked upon as being redeeming for any nation.

                  The USA feels compelled to assist many other counties with their military, and equipment. Some of which turn against the USA and use the exact American equipment against the Americans!

                  BTW there are more than a few International Treaties in place that compel the USA to aid in Canada's defences.

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                  • #12
                    we've heard it before pearly............Now after yesterday how safe do you feel? You can not even walk down the street without someone running you down or shooting at you because you are not one of them..............
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                    • #13
                      Originally posted by pearlblue1800 View Post
                      The fact that a young man was shot is terrible..
                      To make the leap from that to advocating that citizens be allowed to carry handguns is a huge stretch.
                      (This is not the wild west)

                      BTW Parliament's Sgt at Arms is NOT a private citizen.
                      Nor are the multitude of other security personal that carry firearms on Parliament Hill.

                      In the USA on average 7 people are shot every 60 minutes every day!
                      So many that in most cases the incidents are only mentioned in the local media!

                      When was the last time the American media covered ANY firearms related shooting that occurred within Canada?
                      These tragic events are far from everyday occurrences. Even with 1/10 the population!

                      Within the United States many of it's citizens are afraid to travel without having a firearm on their possession to feel secure.
                      Though nationally it is not looked upon as being unfortunate.
                      When you travel internationally you will find that this type of self security (feeling the need to carry a firearm) is not looked upon as being redeeming for any nation.

                      The USA feels compelled to assist many other counties with their military, and equipment. Some of which turn against the USA and use the exact American equipment against the Americans!

                      BTW there are more than a few International Treaties in place that compel the USA to aid in Canada's defences.

                      When in Canada have you heard of them doing the knock out game on unsuspecting people sucker punching them, when have they had any flash mobs breaking into stores stealing anything they can carry and assaulting people and taking their wallets walking down the street, when have they had demonstrations (also known as riots) attacking the police throwing ****, bricks and anything else at them. I could go on but you get my drift.

                      Try assaulting a Mounty when you get stopped and see what happens.

                      When the police do their job you blame them instead of the perp and riot.

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                      • #14
                        Originally posted by pearlblue1800 View Post
                        ...
                        Within the United States many of it's citizens are afraid to travel without having a firearm on their possession to feel secure.
                        ...
                        What a silly notion. I challenge you to name one individual that is "afraid to travel without having a firearm".

                        Fear has nothing to do with it. I wear a helmet, but I'm not afraid of falling off the bike. I simply want to be prepared if I need one. Not because there is a great chance of me needing a helmet (I've gone well over 40 years with my head never touching the ground); but because the ramifications of not having one if I need it are so severe.

                        Same with carrying a gun. There's no fear involved; just the knowledge that if I need it and don't have it it could be a very bad situation.

                        On the other hand, there are countries where people do live in fear, because their government does not trust them with a legal weapon. I don't think Canada is one of those countries (where people live in fear), but it is sort of sad that the nanny-state doesn't leave that choice to the individual.
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                        • #15
                          Did anyone see the picture on the news of the parliament chamber where all the politicians had the furniture stacked against the door to the room? This was humorous as it reminded me of the Blues Brothers movie where they stacked stuff in a similar way at the Cook county office building. I guess when you can't defend yourself, you just cower in the room and dial 911.
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                          • #16
                            Originally posted by pearlblue1800 View Post
                            When was the last time the American media covered ANY firearms related shooting that occurred within Canada?
                            .
                            Well since you asked. http://www.twincities.com/breakingne...io-court-house Saint Paul, MN.


                            The recent shooting and vehicle attack were acts of terrorisms. Don't you think the US and the rest of the world would cover them?







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                            • #17
                              My condolences to the victims/families.

                              John
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                              • #18
                                Originally posted by Lone Ranger View Post

                                Well since you asked. http://www.twincities.com/breakingne...io-court-house Saint Paul, MN.


                                The recent shooting and vehicle attack were acts of terrorisms. Don't you think the US and the rest of the world would cover them?






                                PLEASE NOTE: I am NOT making any opinions. Only quoting American news sources.

                                Or are these quotes another example of the media misleading it's citizens?

                                Of course you do realize that this news coverage dates back nearing 7 months to
                                March 28, 2014.

                                Meanwhile By NBC News staff dated Jan16,2013
                                quote
                                "As lawmakers at the state and federal level weigh various measures to stem gun violence, here are some facts and figures on guns and crime, compiled by the NBC News research department.
                                The big picture:
                                • Every year in the U.S., an average of more than 100,000 people are shot, according to The Brady Campaign To Prevent Gun Violence.
                                • Every day in the U.S., an average of 289 people are shot. Eighty-six of them die: 30 are murdered, 53 kill themselves, two die accidentally, and one is shot in a police intervention, the Brady Campaign reports.
                                • Between 2000 and 2010, a total of 335,609 people died from guns -- more than the population of St. Louis, Mo. (318,069), Pittsburgh (307,484), Cincinnati, Ohio (296,223), Newark, N.J. (277,540), and Orlando, Fla. (243,195) (sources: CDF, U.S. Census; CDC)
                                • One person is killed by a firearm every 17 minutes, 87 people are killed during an average day, and 609 are killed every week. (source: CDC)

                                Homicides by weapon:
                                • Handguns comprised 72.5 percent of the firearms used in murder and non-negligent manslaughter incidents in 2011; 4.1 percent were with shotguns; 3.8 percent were with rifles; 18.5 percent were with unspecified firearms.
                                • 13.3 percent of homicides were done with knives or other cutting instruments.
                                • 5.8 percent of homicides were from the use of hands, fists, feet, etc. (source: FBI)

                                Guns and kids:
                                • 82 children under five years old died from firearms in 2010 compared with 58 law enforcement officers killed by firearms in the line of duty (sources: CDF, CDC, FBI)
                                • More kids ages 0-19 died from firearms every three days in 2010 than died in the 2012 Newtown, Conn., massacre (source:CDF, CDC)
                                • Nearly three times more kids (15,576) were injured by firearms in 2010 than the number of U.S. soldiers (5,247) wounded in action that year in the war in Afghanistan (source: CDF, CDC, Department of Defense)
                                • Half of all juveniles murdered in 2010 were killed with a firearm (source: Office of Juvenile Justice & Delinquency Prevention)"unquote.

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                                • #19
                                  The majority of those that are shot in the US are suicides. 6 out of 10 according to the Pew Research Center - http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...st-gun-deaths/
                                  It would make sense that folks will use the easiest weapon when committing a crime. What doesn't make sense is the notion that depriving them of the easiest method will convince them not to commit the crime. Even crazier is the notion that making guns illegal will deter criminals, and make law-abiding (former) gun owners safer from them.
                                  The 0-19 "kids" statistic is contrived. 18 and 19 year olds are not children, they're adults. Most of those juveniles statistics given are "kids" in gangs. Again, making guns illegal will not deter them (they're already illegally possessing the guns), it will only place the law abiding citizens in more danger.
                                  Taking out suicides, we kill more people with vehicles than we do with guns.

                                  Statistics are fun.

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                                  • #20
                                    A lot of bad people get shot by good people too..which those statistics don't show...People who would otherwise be victims of violent crimes ifthey didn't use a firearm.


                                    Taking away firearms from good people does not prevent the bad people from using firearms to commit violent crimes...

                                    For example; Canada has strict gun control but somehow a bad person managed to shoot up their government center....
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