Chemical weapons were found hidden in Iraq in 2003 and later

[ddubya]

Everything I have heard in the past says that no chemical weapons were found after the 2003 invasion but as it turns out it looks like the gov. kept the discovery of chemical weapons a secret for whatever reason. Here is the article.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014...report-claims/

[Cruiseman]

What else have they found that they are keeping secret?

[ddubya]

What else have they found that they are keeping secret?

What I can't figure out is why they kept it secret. It made the reason of why we went in there look made up and that their was never any chemicals weapons. The article also states that about 2500 were under the control on the Iraq gov and that they have fallen into the hands of Islamic State militants since June.

[azsandrider]

Most people knew there were chemical weapon as Iraq had used them in the past on Kurds & Iranian troops.

Countries don't get rid of effective weapons systems until they are conquered, the country would hide them....

[flyerq68]

Since the OP uses a Fox source, I'm sure some will be skeptical so here is the story with an acceptable source to the left, the NYTimes
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...=top-news&_r=0

[bikerbillone]

Yep, saw that, and it came from the NYT, a liberal newspaper. Folks beat the hell out of George for that, and now the rest of the story. Go figure who manages to keep that kind of information a secret, and the motivation.....

[530ktm]

This is the kind of thing that keeps building my confidence in our government and military.

[glarson3]

This is the kind of thing that keeps building my confidence in our government and military.

You forgot this:

[WAWingGuy]

The Bush Administration sold the war to the American people by claiming that there was an active and ongoing WMD program underway to produce nuclear and chemical weapons - remember the fantasy spun by Collin Powell at the U.N. with centrifuge tubes and yellow cake uranium? Let's not try to rewrite history to justify the mess Bush made. No one was talking about rotting weapons that were buried in the sand. This is just further evidence of the terrible thinking of the Bush clown circus. The destabilization they did in the Middle East is still a huge problem today (ISIS) that will take at least another 20 years to fix.

[hparsons]

I would be interested in seeing the source for such a claim. I think maybe the "rewriting history" claim is a bit ... misdirected

[azsandrider]

Another 20 yrs? These people have been brutally killing each other for the past 5000 yrs so this will continue forever over there unless there is a strong dictator to keep them in control. Their culture is not like our culture and there is at least a 2000 year divergence in thinking. Human life is very expendable to those groups and we can not negotiate with them. They are brutal and will stop at nothing to kill non-believers (what THEY believe not necessarily what the actual Muslim religion believes).

Do you really think that there was no secret labs or bases in Iraq working on chemical and nuclear weapons? Hussien did not really believe the US would get involved.

Right now Iran and other mid-east countries are actively trying for nuclear weapons.

I bet ISIS is trying to figure out an angle on Ebola too...

[WAWingGuy]

here is a comprehensive look back - it will refresh your memory (Your right about Hillary Clinton supporting the war - it's the reason she is not President Clinton now)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5FaMbnINwc

[flyerq68]

The Bush Administration sold the war to the American people by claiming that there was an active and ongoing WMD program underway to produce nuclear and chemical weapons - remember the fantasy spun by Collin Powell at the U.N. with centrifuge tubes and yellow cake uranium? Let's not try to rewrite history to justify the mess Bush made. No one was talking about rotting weapons that were buried in the sand. This is just further evidence of the terrible thinking of the Bush clown circus. The destabilization they did in the Middle East is still a huge problem today (ISIS) that will take at least another 20 years to fix.

I guess you forgot about this guy eh?................. "Clear evidence of Iraqi WMD program" Bill Clinton

[pearlblue1800]

Are there any honest American politicians at the Federal level?
OR
Is it a matter of picking your poison?

For instance look at the options presented to the voter at the last election.

[Wing_it]

Are there any honest American politicians at the Federal level?
OR
Is it a matter of picking your poison?

For instance look at the options presented to the voter at the last election.

Their problem isn't so much an honesty problem, like every other man on this earth, their problem is a sin problem:

8 If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 1 John 1:8-9 KJV

The solution to this nations problems was given in 2 Chronicles 7:14:

14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

The last 50 years of denying God has lead to an equal decay of the moral character of our leaders and nation. The truth speaks for itself.

[micky]

I'm waiting for Marvel to come out with a shorter version

[Wing_it]

You must have missed it micky, check out Rocket Raccoon #1-4 where he and Uncle Pyko use the data in Gideon's Bible to save the Loonies on Halfworld. A summary: Named after the starship Gideon and written by the first people to ever set foot in the Keystone Quadrant, Gideon's Bible was thought to hold the origin of the humans inhabiting Halfworld. At first, no one was able to decipher the language it was written in except for Uncle Pyko. The book was stolen several times by Pyko while he was in the employ of Judson Jakes, but Rocket Raccoon wouldn't let it go so easily. Finally, amidst a toy war between Jakes and Lord Dyvyne, Rocket and Pyko surmised the book held the key to curing the mentally deranged humans on the planet, so they sacrificed the book to the device-building robots, and the Wonder Toy was created. It initially seemed insignificant, but this new invention actually cured the Loonies, enabling them to live normal lives.

More on Marvel.com: http://marvel.com/universe/Gideon%27...#ixzz3GPu7JFRb

Kind of sounds like todays world when we are so loonie we don't know the difference between a girl and a boy.

[bikerbillone]

Amazing how, after all these years, it's all Bush's fault. Somehow he will get the blame for Ebola, the deficit, cash for cars, expansion of giveaway programs, and the list goes on. Don't get me wrong, I was never for invading Iraq, I thought it was a mistake from day one, but one thing comes to mind, somebody was killing those Kurds to the north with chemical weapons.

[pearlblue1800]

Their problem isn't so much an honesty problem, like every other man on this earth, their problem is a sin problem:

8 If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 1 John 1:8-9 KJV

The solution to this nations problems was given in 2 Chronicles 7:14:

14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

The last 50 years of denying God has lead to an equal decay of the moral character of our leaders and nation. The truth speaks for itself.

Yet this mysterious sky 'god' of yours, or any other gods/goddesses, or gender neutral supernatural aliens have NEVER provided empirical proof of their existence.
Let alone solutions to modern day quandaries.
Modern day man, just as all of our predecessors are still interested in conquering his opponents. Whether it be on the sports playing field, in financial circles, or any other. Warring and conquering the opponent is an intrical part of the economy of many nations.

The world just continues on as though there were not any manipulation from the supernatural.

Hint: a book of fables penned after centuries of verbal rhetoric, translations, rewording, complete with multitudes of misinformation. originating from desert dwelling ancients who believed the Earth to be flat. is NOT evidence of any gods.

What it is evidence of, is mans belief of gods.

I wonder how the god Vishnu would think of your explanation?

[micky]

I have it on good authority( GOLDWINGERS),that without picture's it never happened, pic's, I want pic's(not drawings)

[hparsons]

Kind of the the very definition of "faith", wouldn't you say?

[Wing_it]

Yet this mysterious sky 'god' of yours, or any other gods/goddesses, or gender neutral supernatural aliens have NEVER provided empirical proof of their existence.
Let alone solutions to modern day quandaries.
Modern day man, just as all of our predecessors are still interested in conquering his opponents. Whether it be on the sports playing field, in financial circles, or any other. Warring and conquering the opponent is an intrical part of the economy of many nations.

The world just continues on as though there were not any manipulation from the supernatural.

Hint: a book of fables penned after centuries of verbal rhetoric, translations, rewording, complete with multitudes of misinformation. originating from desert dwelling ancients who believed the Earth to be flat. is NOT evidence of any gods.

What it is evidence of, is mans belief of gods.

I wonder how the god Vishnu would think of your explanation?

We only have two options, creation or evolution. Many things are believed without empirical proof, perhaps you could provide us with some empirical proof of evolution. Tell us why with empirical evidence, if everything evolved from a single cell asexual organism, that we have two sexes which would complicate rather than simplify reproduction in the natural selection process. Many people treat science as a god yet science over and over has had to admit they were wrong. Perhaps you have empirical data to prove they are not wrong now in everything they present with evolution?

Evolutionist keep telling me I'm wrong yet they can't show me where they are right. I have never had one show me empirical evidence of the very foundation of evolution, that something evolved from nothing. If you don't get past this point, for me, there is no point in going further. There was one guy who attempted to explain it though, perhaps he convinced someone, you be the judge: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v34QjYPuiEA

I think my problem with understanding evolution may simply be "common sense" note what Richard Dawkins states at the 1:18 minute mark.

[pearlblue1800]

We only have two options, creation or evolution. Many things are believed without empirical proof, perhaps you could provide us with some empirical proof of evolution. Tell us why with empirical evidence, if everything evolved from a single cell asexual organism, that we have two sexes which would complicate rather than simplify reproduction in the natural selection process. Many people treat science as a god yet science over and over has had to admit they were wrong. Perhaps you have empirical data to prove they are not wrong now in everything they present with evolution?

Evolutionist keep telling me I'm wrong yet they can't show me where they are right. I have never had one show me empirical evidence of the very foundation of evolution, that something evolved from nothing. If you don't get past this point, for me, there is no point in going further. There was one guy who attempted to explain it though, perhaps he convinced someone, you be the judge: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v34QjYPuiEA

I think my problem with understanding evolution may simply be "common sense" note what Richard Dawkins states at the 1:18 minute mark.

Every, not some,, EVERY scientific discipline supports the ((scientific definition of Theory ...again) Theory of Evolution, with empirical evidence.
Evidence is supported in the following; physical, personal, testimonial, trace, and scientific.
Just as science fully accepts the Theory of Gravity.
My goodness evolution is all around us, how can you deny it?
Look at your GL1800, how it has evolved from a GL1000.

What evidence do you have of any gods?
Yet there is overwhelming evidence for dinosaurs roaming the planet 165 +/- years ago.
Where were the gods then?

Why must there only be two options ?

Something evolved from "nothing"
Exactly what is your definition of "nothing''

How did you gods come to being?
What created them?
Did they come from 'nothing'

Are you suggesting that Prof. Dawkins does not support the Theory of Evolution?

Science changes as new evidence comes to fruition. This is progress.
It is not held in abeyance by any doctrine(s).
Doctrines, that especially deny evidence that conflicts with their particular stance.

Quite the opposite, anyone who can dispel a Theory is commended, and recognized for their contributions.

[azsandrider]

There is more scientific proof the Bigfoot exists then any super natural god...

I am not a believer but yet live my life in many ways better then most religious people. I don't drink, cuss, do drugs. I try to help unfortunate people when I can. Living in Az most people think I'm LDS (Mormon), but I'm not religious nor is there a super natural god.

I only have one 'sin' in my moral creed: "Hurting someone unnecessarily" is the only sin. It covers all others....

[hparsons]

The "evolution" you speak of concerning the Goldwing did not happen without external intervention. A "designer" modified the original. I think you should use a different metaphor, or concede the argument.

BTW, there is no proof of one species evolving into another.

[azsandrider]

I'm retired and looking for an easy job with reasonable pay that I could have plenty of time off and a flexible schedule; SO I thought about running for office.

The only thing that stopped me was I'm real honest and refuse to be political correct and won't lie.

I figured I didn't have the right skills to get elected.

[micky]

become a preacher, none of those rules apply to them

[Wing_it]

Every, not some,, EVERY scientific discipline supports the ((scientific definition of Theory ...again) Theory of Evolution, with empirical evidence.
Evidence is supported in the following; physical, personal, testimonial, trace, and scientific.
Just as science fully accepts the Theory of Gravity.
My goodness evolution is all around us, how can you deny it?
Look at your GL1800, how it has evolved from a GL1000.

The Gl1000 didn't do anything. Man by design improved the Gl1000 to what we have today in the GL1800. Using your premise of the GL1000 to a GL1800 there is required an intelligent designer, evolution doesn't include an intelligent design. This is simply a faulty premise.

What evidence do you have of any gods?
Yet there is overwhelming evidence for dinosaurs roaming the planet 165 +/- years ago.
Where were the gods then?

Why must there only be two options ?

Do you have another explanation for why or how we are here?

Something evolved from "nothing"
Exactly what is your definition of "nothing''

merriam-webster defines it as a: something that does not exist.

That sounds about right. How do you define nothing?

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How did you gods come to being?
What created them?
Did they come from 'nothing'

Are you suggesting that Prof. Dawkins does not support the Theory of Evolution?

I'm suggesting and agreeing with Dawkins that "common sense says you can't get something from nothing.

Science changes as new evidence comes to fruition. This is progress.

It also implies that at any given moment in time what science is presenting as a true today may be dispelled tomorrow.

It is not held in abeyance by any doctrine(s).
Doctrines, that especially deny evidence that conflicts with their particular stance.

Quite the opposite, anyone who can dispel a Theory is commended, and recognized for their contributions.

"Science" says the universe had a beginning. A cause was required for there to be a beginning. Without a God, who is eternal, without beginning or end and therefore always "is" what do you say was the cause of this beginning. And if you require others of having empirical proof of God then please provide your empirical proof of that which you promote as having caused this beginning.

[azsandrider]

Actually science has stated that this universe started from a compacted mass of energy that is currently under expansion. Eventually the energy will collapse and the process will start over.

Who said God was eternal? GOD? As quoted in the bible? Might be a case of an exaggerated ego on the part of this God....I will need to meet this God before I determine if its real.

All the stuff in the bible has rational explanations and need not be attributed to a mystical higher power.


If God does/did exist, he has forsaken us now. Look at the world conditions...

[Wing_it]

Many readily accept that Socrates once lived yet have never met him. There are countless archaeological discoveries by the science community that validate the Bible, do you simply dismiss them.

What scientific proof do you have to support the statement, you haven't presented any: There is more scientific proof the Bigfoot exists then any super natural god...

In that you don't believe in a creator God do you accept that nothing became something? Or is there another answer besides God or evolution?

What caused the above compacted mass of energy to explode, science states that if something exists it must have a cause? I'm not ridiculing those who believe in evolution, I'm simply asking that evolutionist provide their evidence rather than just ridicule and dismiss creation.

Both of the last two statements above are simply subjective opinion, what objective facts for or against are presented?

Look at the world conditions......................Perhaps it is us who has forsaken Him

[azsandrider]

Plenty of photos & footprints of Bigfoot and hair samples...nothing on a GOD...and whose God is God? Christian God, Muslim God, Norse Gods, etc...

Physics caused the big bang just like it will cause the next...or maybe the interstellar noise of the Big Bang ids the voice of God? hmm...

The Bible is a history book and has a lot to teach us, as well as other historic tomes. The current Bible has been changed so much with passages added or taken out or re-written by various Popes for their own petty agendas throughout the ages it would be ridiculous to even suggest its the actual word of anyone.

[hparsons]

Where did that energy come from. If it was just "always here", then that is your god. We both would then share a "faith" in an omnipresent entity; we would just differ on the nature of that entity.

[pearlblue1800]

"Science" says the universe had a beginning. A cause was required for there to be a beginning. Without a God, who is eternal, without beginning or end and therefore always "is" what do you say was the cause of this beginning. And if you require others of having empirical proof of God then please provide your empirical proof of that which you promote as having caused this beginning.

If "nothing" means non existence, then how do we know that there was nothing, if it never existed?


Why do you suggest that there are only two possibilities?
Then out of those two prepositions you suggest that out of the Millions of gods, your particular god is the only option?

Science does NOT know all the answers. Science changes as new evidence is presented. Religious dogma does NOT.
However because science does NOT know the answers to all questions, there is NOT any need to intervene with any 'supernatural' explanation.

For that is not an explanation at all, as it creates another question.
Belief without evidence posses the question,- who/what created the god?

If nothing created the god, and it always existed.
Then why can not the same principle apply to the Universe?

It was not created and it has always been.