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  • "America will be joined by a broad coalition of partners"

    Well that "broad coalition" of only 9 nations is already falling apart leaving the US to shoulder and do some heavy lifting. Britain and Germany have each said that they will not bomb Syria. I'm sure glad the president stressed that we (US) would not be going this alone. Thank goodness the French can be counted on. When I heard the president say in his speech he had a "broad coalition of partners" I thought there was going to be close to 30 or more nations as there had been in two previous wars. So then I found out there are only 9 nations and two won't help bomb ISIS in Syria. Now about those military cuts.
    "I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for few public officials." (George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 425-426)

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    For other nations to follow, someone has to lead. That's why nobody is following.
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    • #3
      I read the Brits may tell the JEF to... well....go have knowledge with himself.

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      • #4
        Definition: "broad coalition of partners".

        Each US tax payer dollar will by considered a partner. We'll start out with a couple billion partners, then go from there.

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        • #5
          Unfortunately, we usually have to shoulder the majority of the burden. I remember the phrase from 2003 "Coalition of the Willing" - laughable.

          I know, as loyal Americans, you all can put partisan politics aside and support our war effort against ISIS, can't you?

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          • #6
            2/3rds of our previous "coalition members" have come to the realization that there is nothing to gain by following an idiot.

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            • #7
              I think some of you hate Obama more than you love America.

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              • #8
                Our first turd has entered the punch bowl. Yay!

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                • #9
                  Quite interesting that Obama would make sure the enemy knows action against them will be as he said.........limited. Kinda gives them a heads up does it not?

                  Another interesting situation, a news reporter can go conduct interviews at terrorist training camps, but for some unknown reason our military can never find them to combat them.

                  Yep Obama has a lot to say, about what he is not going to do, has very little of an idea of what to actually do.

                  Kerry, what a joke that man is. And he is the one who is to convince others to help out a bit? Kerry is an insult to simple common sense.

                  As long as Obama is in office it will be disharmony, and the rest of the world has no favor with him either.

                  Problem is all of these budding hopefuls are just as bad.

                  I think we are in for more of the same for a very long time.

                  Many more young men will die for no reason at all, just a waste as our leadership will not conduct what is required and simply plays games.

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                  • #10
                    What I hate is that thousands of our troops were killed and they guy you think so highly of gave away all that was gained through their efforts... and now we have to go back. This was all predictable
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                    • #11
                      The question here is what will you do to keep freedom? Will you sit right here in America and let those who want to take it from you come here or will you take the fight to the enemy? Since the inception of this nation the fight has been taken to the enemy. Today was a stark reminder of the last enemy visit.

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                      • #12
                        An air assault, because the president and Kerry said we are not at war with ISIS, has never won a war, defeated an enemy, or changed enemy philosophy with out first having forces on the ground to engage the enemy. When ISIS uses the same tactics as Hamas and hide material and armed forces in populated areas an air assault suddenly become impotent. The only way to overcome the tactic of imbedding in civilian areas is to go in and confront the enemy head on and that will require ground troops. There is no way Iraqi ground forces will be up to the challenge to win the ground war, either now or in the future.
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                        • #13
                          Most of our soldiers, certainly the professionals, would be more than willing to go back in. However, they do not want to go back with the same stupid ROE's as before. Turn them loose to do their jobs and get out of the way. At least this seems to be the feeling of the spec ops community.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by oldguy View Post
                            Most of our soldiers, certainly the professionals, would be more than willing to go back in. However, they do not want to go back with the same stupid ROE's as before. Turn them loose to do their jobs and get out of the way. At least this seems to be the feeling of the spec ops community.
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                            Some of the crap our troops were prosecuted for, like shooting the engine of a tractor being used to transport a wounded terrorist, were truly idiotic and in many ways similar to the idiocy that prevailed during the Vietnam War. If we're going to fight, then the gloves have to come off. Otherwise, we should stay at home.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by SteelTraveler View Post
                              I think some of you hate Obama more than you love America.
                              You are half right. The hate part may be a little too strong. How about 'Don't like'?
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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Retired Army View Post
                                The question here is what will you do to keep freedom? Will you sit right here in America and let those who want to take it from you come here or will you take the fight to the enemy? Since the inception of this nation the fight has been taken to the enemy. Today was a stark reminder of the last enemy visit.
                                Strange comment, could this be Shortcake?

                                Seems one with military service would understand the game plan that requires all fighting to be done nice and that a soldiers hands are tied. That politics, indecision and total incompetence is now the way of war.

                                I and many others would go back, however it is pretty disgusting and kinda hard to get all patriotic when if you do aggressively go after a band of terrorists you may end up in jail for shooting them. Or you receive orders to turn in all your ammo and to not shoot back.

                                It is wise that if there has to be a war or skirmish to yes keep it away from our homeland. War has many things within it that are not good, from those who run about raping and killing for personal reasons to simple cruelty. Homes and lives are destroyed and life is gone in an instant. The civilian population is decimated and for the most part become refugees. We do yes certainly do not desire this in our homeland.

                                Anyway I think that if we do have to get involved in these things, we should stop playing games and go on and clean up the mess and be done with it. These people of this culture and religion that we now fight, will never change, have no intention of change and will be a danger and threat to all so long as even a dozen of them remain. It is amazing that our leadership seems to think that you can just talk to them and they will change.

                                Problem with modern war is it is conducted by politicians who have their own self serving interests at heart, and hold even a good military leader in handcuffs and refuse to allow the military to put an end to the entire situation.

                                Our politicians have made many serious mistakes in the past, we have become involved in these conflicts for this or that reason, and now it is too late to forget it and be nice and to come home. It is way beyond those options now.

                                So we can sit and play these games, and watch our young men wasted and our economy fall, or we can simply get serious and clean up the trash bin.

                                It is time to get mean, and be done with it.

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Kit Carson View Post

                                  Strange comment, could this be Shortcake?
                                  Shortround is retired, and former Army, but he is not "retired Army"
                                  Dave
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                                  • #18
                                    Exactly what do you guys think we should do?

                                    Air strikes alone? Should we send in 160,000 ground troops?

                                    What is your plan for destroying ISIS?

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                                    • #19
                                      We have zero leadership, unfortunately. Lie, distort and spin to the American people. Broad support, what a joke, part of the aforementioned of lie, distort and spin. The only way us motorcycle folk can distance ourselves is ride.

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                                      • #20
                                        I so badly want to comment, but I promised myself I would stay out of political discussions on this forum.

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